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The Open Book Podcast w Jay & Nia Floyd
Alex Cross: World’s greatest detective?
What happens when a beloved character from James Patterson's novels is reimagined for the small screen? Join us on the Open Book Podcast as we return from our hiatus to dissect the latest crime drama featuring Alex Cross. We share our insights on Aldis Hodge's portrayal of the iconic detective and psychologist, reflecting on previous portrayals by Morgan Freeman and Tyler Perry. Our conversation touches on the incorporation of timely themes like Black Lives Matter and dives into the complexities of the show's script in portraying Cross's legendary status. With our own experiences as writers informing our perspectives, this episode promises a rich discussion on storytelling, character development, and societal reflections.
In this intriguing episode, we unravel the dark narrative of a serial killer who masks his murders as art. The suspenseful cat-and-mouse game between Cross and this eccentric antagonist keeps viewers on the edge of their seats—a dynamic reminiscent of Batman and the Joker's iconic rivalry. However, we also question the series' depiction of police work and character decisions, pointing out puzzling scenarios that challenge realism. Our analysis sheds light on these narrative choices, exploring how they shape the tension and intrigue of the series and offering our candid critique of its execution.
Emotion runs high as we explore the series' emotional dynamics, particularly a poignant apology scene that left a lasting impression. The themes of loyalty, remorse, and moral dilemmas resonate throughout our discussion, while we also highlight the show's casting strengths and the emotional toll on its characters. Although there are moments that frustrated us, we appreciate the series' attempt to comment on societal issues and its entertaining elements. Don't miss our take on this thrilling series, as we rate it a solid eight out of ten and reflect on its impact.
I said a three, two, one. Yo welcome y'all.
Speaker 2:What's good, y'all what's good.
Speaker 1:Welcome to the Open Book Podcast y'all. Thank you for joining us. I've been seeing. I know we took a long hiatus, man, but I was actually surprised that we've been getting some listens. Folks been in there peeping especially our episode on Reasonable Doubt.
Speaker 2:Reasonable Doubt. Thank y'all for the listens.
Speaker 1:We, uh, reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt. Thank y'all for the listens. We appreciate it, I think. You know I really enjoy doing that. I like when we do reviews because we I feel like we go pretty deep. I feel like we hit some topics that a lot of people might be thinking about, but maybe they ain't got no podcast that's talking about it, you know, and they got no outlet to really dig into it.
Speaker 2:So I like that and you know there's so many things out there. You know twitter and um tiktok. Everybody kind of has a little space where they yeah delving into. So this is our space, to delve into our thoughts. Our space, and it's the open book podcast.
Speaker 1:So you know we're gonna be open book with one another man. We try to do our best and grow together. Show what a marriage looks like, at least for us. You know, I mean, how we do things right all right, so with no further ado this right here is another review episode. We've been watching some tv. Yo, we've been. We've been watching some, but don't get me wrong, that's I mean. It's really hard for us to really find some time to do this it is.
Speaker 2:It sounds like we've been. We'd be like binging, but we really don't it's tough we found something and it's like let's check it out and you know we have to. We always want to talk about it like right after. So, um, yeah, one of these days we'll probably just start recording our conversations after each episode, because we always have some really good meat. But, um, yeah, we finished watching.
Speaker 2:We started maybe a couple weeks ago and finished up today because it was a chill day after thanksgiving, for happy thanksgiving to everyone, chill yeah and so we finished it up today and we just wanted to come while everything was still fresh and, um, you know, just kind of dive in. So, um, yeah, I don't know, I think I may have seen a couple people talking about the show and was like hey, babe, let's check it out. And um, you know, uh, jay went and did some research and got some info on the show and we just kind of kind of, you know, delved in yeah, so I we can start with.
Speaker 1:This is obviously an extension of the james patterson books and love james patterson yeah, I've actually read alex cross books a long time ago.
Speaker 2:It's been a really, really really long time. So I don't like some things kind of came back to mind and some didn't I just really remember like visually Morgan Freeman playing him at one point in time. I think Tyler Perry also played him at one point in time. I didn't realize that there were so many additional series out there that tried to kind of step into it.
Speaker 1:So you know that was really interesting, but it's nice to see that they came and uh found a different way to bring them back in in 24 yeah, and for me, I've never read any of these series, uh, or books, um, I don't even know if I've really any even read any james patterson I know I know of james patterson. I know you know the lore about him.
Speaker 2:There's controversy, of course.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I don't. I mean, you know, when I got started as a writer, one of the first things and y'all can hear about this on our other episodes but yeah, one of the first things that I told my beautiful wife was I want to be a writer. And she was like yo, you will be Right, and one of the things that you did yes and is one of the things you do. You bought me a master class.
Speaker 2:I did yes.
Speaker 1:And so when I start digging through those master class, I saw like, oh man, james Patterson, who is this guy? What does he do? And I saw that he had a program where he's like you can co-author with him so you can like, buy into, bring your story, he'll put I don't even know what, what he contributes to it, but it ends up coming out with your name on it and his name on it and it can, it can blow up. So it's your way into the. And I gotta say I was like I don't know if this is a me being a writing snob or whatever, but I saw that and I was like yo, that's bs like this dude's just like he's running a scam man.
Speaker 1:Like do he even write anything? I felt like most people probably feel about Drake, right? Like do we even write this stuff?
Speaker 2:Like this dude got the most famous name in in literature and he probably don't even write nothing, and I've read quite a few James Patterson books back in the day Um of day um and most of them have been pretty good. I haven't really read a bad one, so I'm assuming that they were all his, I don't know it's.
Speaker 1:I feel it is james patterson, is drake y'all, but as you know, babe, I like drake, I respect it and I like james patterson. So exactly I think james patterson is when you get that big you you gotta take your hat off. Right, you could nitpick all the details, but take your hat off to what they was able to accomplish.
Speaker 2:It's legendary you know, yeah. So like seeing this cast was like okay, well, we what we working, what we're talking about so let me just say I saw, I did see.
Speaker 1:I think it was on Amazon prime too, back when Tyler Perry did it. And I was like ugh, ugh, yuck.
Speaker 2:I can't really remember. I remember him doing what was it? Good deeds? He did something that was like him trying to take it seriously, and I think it was either before or after he did alex cross and I don't remember if it was good or not to be quite honest, I just remember he tried his hand at it, that's why.
Speaker 1:I think it was on amazon prime too, because I remember scrolling prime and seeing a big thing that said alex cross, played by tyler perry, and I was like what, what my dear?
Speaker 2:no, exactly.
Speaker 1:So yeah, okay like you said, I didn't do as much research as I normally do on this one, but what I did find, there's an interview out there with james patterson where he was talking about the history of alex cross. Right, and he's talking about. You know all of the movies hollywood came along is you look at this story and it looks like man, hollywood came knocking and you know it just blew you up. But he said that's not how it went. He said Hollywood came knocking and he told him no. And he said he told him no because they said the first thing they wanted to do was change Alex Cross to be white.
Speaker 1:And he told this story about him growing up and his mother being friends with a black woman in their neighborhood and inviting her to come live with them for a while. And all the black people that he knew growing up in the town and in his house were super smart and he was like the world he came from. The black people he knew were the smartest people in the room and he didn't look on movies and see that. It's like you turn on movies and the black people are never the smartest person in the room and it didn't align with what he knew in life. So he was like I'm going to write a story that shows what I grew up with, where the black dude is the smartest dude Right. So he was like that's why I hit none. He told him no and he was broke at the time, but they obviously came back knocking. He just had to wait him out yep and he got Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 2:So good job. Good job with sitting on your hands, james Patterson, because you had a vision. You knew how that book. You wrote it the way it needed to be presented to everyone. So good job for you to making sure that it was presented exactly how you wrote it and with the people that you wanted in it you can't go wrong with morgan freeman, so cannot perfect, perfect cast and that leads into the first point.
Speaker 1:I thought about this where we're all decides who I'm a big fan of, all decides. Um, we all know morgan freeman. Morgan freeman is a rarity, right like a black actor from the 70s who is always looked at in a dignified light yes, always but that's not the case for most black actors in hollywood right. So I was interested in seeing how do you pass the baton to another person, younger, who can have that dignity?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Right. So I was like when I saw Aldis Hodge I'm like thumbs up Because I like to see this happen. We need more actors that's not just, you know, some kind of pimp or drug dealer or even sex symbol, to have a dignity. Dignity to it. I thought it was dope. I'll decide I had seen, not in a whole lot of stuff, but my favorite one with him was the one night in Miami where I thought he did an excellent job of bringing life to Jim Brown as a character.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So that was. I was like thumbs up. I'm anxious to see this.
Speaker 2:And thumbs up. I'm anxious to see this and I haven't seen him in a lot.
Speaker 2:Not a lot of the cast, really, I haven't seen them in um maybe a trickle of movies, but it was nice to have a fresh cast and it not be you know a bunch of you know everybody's, that everybody know. But you know some of these people maybe possibly get in a fresh start with you know this show. So that was really dope and I hadn't seen him. I mean, had you not just mentioned that movie, I would have been like I don't think I've seen anything but yeah I do remember him in that movie, but I mean, um how long ago was that?
Speaker 1:right, so to me he's still a fresh face oh yeah, he's definitely still a fresh face nice to you know, see some, some fresh faces in this new series and I don't know if it has a lot to do with the right. Did they have like a writer's strike recently in the last five years?
Speaker 1:I know covid had a lot to do with but I I think a lot of the shows, especially shows, you know these shows could be movies, but they end up being shows and I think, like 50 cent said something recently like, right, you go to a show because it's easier to get on, because you don't need a star to sell a show. You do need a star to sell a movie. So I think this is one of those cases where, yeah, you bring it to the show and you can, like you said, populate it with a bunch of actors who we've never seen and stuff and still do a good job.
Speaker 2:And, to be quite honest, I mean I wouldn't have wanted to see this as a movie. Yeah, a good job. And, to be quite honest, I mean I wouldn't have wanted to see this as a movie. Yeah, it was a lot going on. It would have been a little bit too much for me to see this as a movie. I definitely wouldn't have tuned in. So this is a show I really worked perfectly yeah, for me anyway.
Speaker 1:Plus, like you said, as a movie they would have had to take out so much each episode is eight episodes and they're each an hour long.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, they would have had to take out quite a bit yeah, so let's get into it.
Speaker 1:Man, all this hodge plays alex cross, but again, I'm not familiar with alex cross. He's, he was also called isaiah in this show. What's up with that? Is it isaiah alex cross? Is that like the history of the character? I'm guessing.
Speaker 2:So it's been, like I said, it's been a while since I actually read the books. I just remembered that there was, you know, it was dark and he was really kind of always trying to solve a case, but it seemed like, you know, it's like an episode of CSI, like on a continual loop. Like you know, this is pretty much what he's living, which is essentially what we see in the show. He's always like fighting and trying to keep his family safe and it's, you know, some killer that's coming, some psychopath that he has to deal with. And I mean, it's like every book is pretty much like that.
Speaker 2:And I think I may have read maybe one or two books. But then after a while I was like, ok, I'm going to move on from Mr Cross, but that's great that he had, you know, such a huge following. And I think this show kind of reminded me like, oh yes, he had a lot going on on a regular basis, right, ok, this is why I kind of, you know, stepped away from this particular series, but it was a really good series. I just it was a little too dark for me.
Speaker 1:Very dark. I'm looking right now if I Google across. What comes up for the genre and description is unsettling, enigmatic and analytical. Definitely unsettling. I mean it was some episodes, once you get to like six. Yeah, it was tough.
Speaker 2:It was like this a lot man but I love that they did really incorporate he's. You know, he's a doctor. So they really made sure that they put in those moments of why he was such a brilliant detective because he had a way of putting the pieces together and being able to see what other people couldn't. So I love that they did throw those in. It didn't? It was scattered. I would have liked to see a lot more of it, but it was nice to see it when it happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so let's get into it. We're going to toss the spoiler alert now, because I'm way too tired into the holiday to figure out which ones are spoilers and which ones ain't, so I'm gonna let you know up front. We're gonna spoil some stuff. Yep, if you rocking with us, you rocking with us all right yep, so alex cross, the world's best detective world's best detective psychologist.
Speaker 2:Um you know, the episode really kind of goes into.
Speaker 1:It's a good point. Right, they made that. They made that clear front. Yes, dr alex cross, alex cross yes, and you.
Speaker 2:I mean. The very first scene is him going into the interview room to interrogate a racist right yeah and I.
Speaker 2:It's so interesting how they started that, because you know you go in and you see him still struggling with the death of his wife and then him about to put in leave paperwork and goes right into kind of doing what he does. And I mean, even that scene was kind of weird, right, Because they go in and interview this guy and this guy is clearly a racist and he kind of gets them all riled up and it's like oh, you said this thing and that's going to kind of get us, to get you, and it's like what?
Speaker 1:Like, what do we miss? Let me just put this out there, right, and no disrespect to anybody who loves Alex Cross or loves this show. I'm sure there's a lot of Aldis Hodge fans out there now and it ain't nothing to do with him. But, man, the way they wrote this character, man For one, the world's greatest detect, like what? Like, really, I didn't see that no, I mean it was interesting yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I could see how they were trying to portray it right, like he's basically like encyclopedia brown on steroids, like right, he walk in and he catch you with the one thing. But it was like these aren't things that the average smart person can't it's dc's greatest smart person?
Speaker 2:can't it's dc's greatest? Really, I thought it was the world's, I mean, you know.
Speaker 1:A couple of times they said world's greatest detective right yeah, I mean because he does, does do a great job of like solving these crazy crimes and I, granted, I think that puts him on the top of the map, thinks outside of the box really well, but as far as, like, I would expect him to be a little quicker with stuff and I know as a detective you have to part-time do police work yeah, but he was ingrained in it.
Speaker 1:But he sucked as a policeman I mean, he's a detective you know how many and I know you know I was harping on it so many times. He should have called real police they should have.
Speaker 2:But you know, I guess they didn't want them to muddy up their scene, right? But you're right, there were a lot of times in some of these episodes. It was like bro where is your? Backup, like why y'all making so much noise?
Speaker 1:y'all got yourselves caught. So the lady there's, so obviously there's. There's a couple of stories right. This is very similar to our review on reasonable doubt yeah, because you're juggling multiple storylines at once.
Speaker 2:You got the black lives matter yes, that he's dealing with because of one of the murders, um of two of the murders actually, that happened back to back, which reminded me a reasonable.
Speaker 1:I'm like did these all get written in the COVID Black Lives Matter time? Because that seemed that old. The death of a militant thing is like that's really popular right now. Yep, it could be.
Speaker 2:I mean there's a lot of stuff that kind of came out after COVID that we probably wouldn't have seen before COVID, yeah, and I mean it's nice to see how many black shows that they have out now post-COVID that you know are recirculating. So I'm mad at it.
Speaker 1:Oh, and speaking of black, shout out to the fact that this show had two black leads, two black male leads Aldis. Hodge.
Speaker 1:Isaiah Mustafa plays John Sampson, who is Aldous Hodge's childhood friend slash brother and also co-worker on the police force and yeah, that was really dope, really dope. I like the way they portrayed the chemistry. I like, if you just look, if you, if you take away everything else and you only look at the story arc of these two friends, I thought it was a really great story of them having some struggles, one of them admitting he was wrong, showing up and them coming back together and being there for each other. A lot of times I like to say and this is me as a writer and as a growing writer I'm always like what was that actual thread like? Because the threads have to be strong and that was a really strong thread it was with with cross and samson as childhood friends.
Speaker 1:I thought they did a good job of having even the other characters chime in with oh man, you met him when you was little, you didn't? It was like they painted that whole thread.
Speaker 2:Really, really good I agree, and it was very nice to see the struggle to be able to see them have struggle and be able to work through that yeah you know, because that it definitely came to a crescendo, right, but it was nice to be able to see what that looked like when it worked itself out, you know. So, um, yes, big shots out for us to be able to see black men in the lead loved making it work and knocking it out. They did an excellent job loved it.
Speaker 2:They did a great job um but even in that there was some scenes that was like what are y'all doing? Like why are y'all making all this noise? Y'all didn't got these people all jacked up because, like you, you made yourself notice, because y'all making all this noise. It was just weird, and I mean you know a lot of it was alex just having so much turmoil with trying to find the killer of his wife and there being this, you know this thing between them for the whole season.
Speaker 1:Not only that, his parents got killed too.
Speaker 2:Parents got killed, his wife got killed. You know him trying to find his wife's killer, and now he's, you know, merging this with this new serial killer that's out there. So I mean this show, it starts out with a lot on the table. The first episode was just kind of like what is going on, and I do not watch movies like this, shows like this.
Speaker 1:Facts.
Speaker 2:I stray. I am a firm believer of not bringing that negative energy in, so I am very I try my best to kind of screen some of the things that I watch and something like like when we watched it the first time it was a nighttime yeah and I was like, yeah, this ain't what we watching in the night, because it was already super dark, like the first episode was just really really dark and you know the whole literally and figurative yeah, like that's a dark show to watch. You can't even really see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we had to adjust the settings on our tv a couple of times like why?
Speaker 2:can't we see anything right? But I mean that's that's the show that's the show. Yeah, that's the show.
Speaker 1:So it was definitely dark um it was very dark.
Speaker 1:So, overall, overall, there's two killers being tracked here. Right, there's the main thread, that which I was thrown off by, right. So right, in episode one, they tell you who the killer is, right, so we get to see Alex Cross. His wife gets killed, boom, okay, how do we deal with that? Is that what we're going to be pursuing? No, it's not. There is a Black Lives Matter type protester who's killed, right, okay, that's the main story, right? So let's track it down and they start tracing that. So turns out, they're tracing, they're chasing a serial killer, not just, right, the killer of this protester, but not only is that. The protester has a complex life himself, so they have to go down the rabbit hole of piecing his life together and his secrets right to figure out who he is.
Speaker 1:Then, once they get to the killer, they're chasing this dude for five episodes yeah, it was a while.
Speaker 2:And then I mean the first guy, he was murdered, and then the second guy came right after yeah like literally. Was that all in the same episode?
Speaker 1:yeah, or it was like the first two episodes.
Speaker 2:It was like back to back um and then you see there's an informant. Of course, there's always an informant, right you? See a cop or dirty cop, who's helping the killer, by the way?
Speaker 1:he did an excellent job, I gotta say. Let me let me look, oh my gosh this dude's name is johnny ray gill babe, and look at his pictures on google.
Speaker 2:Look at this dude yeah, he played that part to the t, you hear me, because I was like, oh my lord, oh, I don't even want to be in a mouth of this dude at all. Oh, I just, he just not. Is not somebody that you want to be on his radar? You don't want to be on his radar, you don't be nowhere near him, you don't even want to talk about him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially from what he did to old dude's girlfriend, like knowing First off and even Okay. So, like they said, you know there's a lot going on. You know the. So, like bae said, you know there's a lot going on. You know the first episode. You kind of see, there's this murder. Um, we kind of piece together.
Speaker 2:Alex starts to piece together that you know, wait a minute, this seems off. And I'd say the first three episodes it's like okay, something's off. This guy that we're looking for he's essentially um murdering these people who look like other people that have been executed or have been caught by the police, and you know they were in prison for some time for doing something. So he's trying to create his own book, he's trying to be the up and coming serial killer, to create his own showcase of art, as he would call it, and he's actually an artist, right? So he has that's the thing Like he's an artist in real life. He has, you know, an art gallery that presents his work of he's like some kind of eccentric billionaire artist too right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and like the work that he has out at the gallery is of like people dying which is you know a great cover, I guess If you, if you're, you know that's what you do in real life. You, you know you're showing people that you're this artist as air quoting here, but then that's actually what you're really doing in the nighttime. Is you kidnapping these people and really actually brutalizing them and turning them into what you call artwork?
Speaker 1:and we see that early.
Speaker 1:Like they explain most of that early, they show us this is what he's doing it's just a cat and mouse game between him and cross, and it's really, you know, what it reminded me kind of of is batman and the joker. Right, it's like batman is the world's greatest detective, that's his tagline. And then you got joker, who's like this insane dude. So that's what this kind of reminded me of, where it's like you don't have to figure out who did it. You got to figure out the complexity of how he did it and why he did it right, like we're gonna show you up front, who did it?
Speaker 1:you got to figure out all of the mental details and I thought that was good. And cross, he does have a what would you call it? It's like a spidey sense yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's kind of like that he does a good job. Yeah, I mean he can he. Just he pieced it all together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll call it his place he ain't have it in certain I mean some areas you just gonna walk up to a person who works for the main killer and let her hug you and next thing you know, you got a needle in your belly yes.
Speaker 2:So some of some of the things, like I mean, if I was a police officer I would be, or even a detective, I would always have on a bulletproof vest, like that would be something that was on my persons all the time, especially because your wife was murdered, you know, like I would always make sure that I'm covered. But it was like so many scenes where it was just like this doesn't make sense, like when you know the one guy at the very beginning he gets murdered and then his brother, um, knows information, and then he gets murdered and then the girlfriend takes the phone, and then the girlfriend goes off to the other side of town.
Speaker 2:She leaves her son with her sister to hide out of the c CD motel with the cell phone where the lunatic guy was just talking about, finds her and is in the room right next door so we can see him prepping to get zooted off that nose candy torture her and, like, of course, she goes to get tortured. And then Alex figures out where they're at Right and finds the motel that they're in and makes so much noise.
Speaker 2:Him and his boy, 2John, makes so much noise running to get to the room that it alerts this lunatic. He wants him getting the information from the girl and still killing her and and escaping and escaping and like she wound up sending the information to her ipad or whatever and he just went over to the girl's sister's house and got the information. Then he had this long talk with her son and it was like I mean, why would you take the phone in the first place?
Speaker 2:You know like it would have been better because she was able to call, like the newspaper lady and it's like it would have been better for you to send whatever it was that you was looking for in his phone to yourself. Dump the phone, which is what she ultimately did anyway. But it was like I mean, what did you think you were gonna accomplish? Like you have a son, why would you?
Speaker 1:you just saw your boyfriend get there was not great parental decisions being made, because then the son was sitting outside, on the stoop outside by himself.
Speaker 2:After all of this happened to his dad.
Speaker 1:He's sitting outside on his dad literally just got sniped from a distance and alex just woke up.
Speaker 2:To the boy it's like what is going on here, it was just so many instances of like this doesn't make any sense yeah and then like really kind of getting into like this dude's like scene, how many people he had working for him. It's crazy. It was like a club that they were in, where it's like they had live shows and meetings and he wore masks and he had all these people that was in on him.
Speaker 2:It's like a ditty party yeah, mutilating these people, yeah, it was crazy how much was just happening behind the scenes and how many people was paid off to be I mean even within the police department, to kind of just turn a blind eye or feed them this information that they needed to get the people that they needed to get.
Speaker 1:I will say like man, yeah, they were. They was kind of naive. They walked into some situations that you would not expect these great detectives to walk into. And they was not calling the cops no, they weren't calling the cops.
Speaker 2:And this guy I mean he had so much power, he had so many people in his pocket he was just like I mean, we knew from the first episode who the killer was. And I mean even with the girl that he, shannon, the girl that he grabbed, like she, he presented her with like a fake profile and they met on some online website. And then this guy shows up who was completely different from the picture that's online, and she still, like, stay and have lunch with him. And it's like, girl bye, like I don't care how good looking you is, like this dude straight catfished you to get you here. And now he's like, oh, I'm sorry, I do. Xyz, do you want to still have lunch? Uh, no, because I'm automatically thinking you're a psychopath and you're probably gonna try to kill me. Like absolutely not. But she was like, oh, okay, and then he took her to that gallery right where she saw all the stuff and she, she, was into it it's so amazing the work that she was into it, my
Speaker 1:girl you don't even know you about to become his or his crazy part is then when he told her at first she was about it, she was with it, it's like oh yeah, you're gonna kill me as part of this. Oh, let me just say though because this is the part that irked me the most, because I have it a couple of times If your life is on the line and you with a murderer who is clearly going to kill you and you get one opportunity to do something about it.
Speaker 1:Why were they so stupid in these opportunities?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know Like she had multiple times where she could have shanked dude in the throat.
Speaker 1:He uncuffed her and they ate a meal together, with a knife and fork sitting in front of her.
Speaker 2:Remember he was like I'm not going to let you hold the knife, because then you might try to get out it's still sitting right in front of me and remember he drugged the wine and then she was like, and then that was it, but then he did also kill somebody.
Speaker 1:Remember she, and then that was it. But then he did also kill somebody. Remember she was able to alert somebody, true, but wait a minute, babe. You know, the worst one is when he's out at the party. She's in the dungeon, locked away. She finds a way to flip herself over in the chair.
Speaker 2:Get to this glass yeah, because he has her in the wine room she's in a wine cellar surrounded by thousands of bottles.
Speaker 1:A bottle he comes in and breaks a bottle he's upset right.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:She, after he leaves, she jiggles herself around until the chair flips over. She's able to access the broken shards. Yep, use the shards to get her. You know how hard all of that is Like seriously a lot of work. She put in all kind of work. She successfully frees herself y'all without him being there. She's free. Yeah, the door is locked, though. So she gotta wait for him to come back. This chick, she waits behind the door. Behind the door, right, if you waiting behind the door for your potential killer, what you waiting with, what you waiting to do and what you waiting with. This chick was waiting with a full bottle of wine. Yep, she was. And as soon as he came in the door then she went to try to break it. She broke it To hit him. It's got to already be be broke. What are you doing it?
Speaker 2:should have been a wrap. As soon as she seen him, she should have started jabbing jagged glass, not busting it when you don't even know if it's gonna break on your first try, right?
Speaker 1:why are you waiting?
Speaker 2:and then she runs, she get him down, she cut him, she get him down, she cut him, she get him down, she run, she get practically outside. He catches her, she cuts her face, she don't cut him again, she cuts her face. Cuts her face, which I mean it does buy her more time.
Speaker 1:It does.
Speaker 2:And this is what upsets him, not the fact that she cut him or that she ran, the fact that she's cutting herself, because, again, she is his art and he is trying to emulate this other person, this that was murdered, that he wants to make her look like. So he's like, oh my gosh, you're damaging yourself. We can't do that.
Speaker 1:That was the thing that upset him this is the thing that I don't get I mean, even that night was just a mess, it was a mess and then it happened again, right? So after you flip down the end, down the road, it ends up, there is an even bigger villain to worry about. Who's right in front of his face the piano teacher right.
Speaker 1:Greece to let this piano teacher lady take his children to a remote location that he has no idea where it is. He's never been there. It's almost four hours away from where he is. There's no cell phone reception, no Wi-Fi and no Wi-Fi. There's only a landline. And she says I'm going to take them there to keep them safe.
Speaker 2:And she says I'm going to take them there to keep them safe. And this is because his grandmother is attacked and she's in the hospital and he realizes who attacked her and he goes to the guy's house to try to get more information, information and then realize you know him doing what he do comes to find out that this lady, who's been with his kids all this time, is the mother of a man that's been stalking him and killed his wife and been sending him all these crazy flowers and stuff go back to the grandmother grandma, grandma.
Speaker 2:What was her name?
Speaker 1:nana, mama, nana mama, nana, mama, get hurt the man and jacked her up. The man that then been chasing cross forever then jacked her up, put her in the hospital. Oh my god, we got to tell the kids. I even got a picture of the man who did it. I'm about to do this. I'm about to let my kids know our lives are all in danger. Listen to me All of my parents out there that's listening. If this happened to you, if you were a single dad whose wife been murdered and parents been murdered and his grandmother just got jacked up and his kids are the only thing he got, and some woman who is a piano teacher to your son, who they felt they could trust.
Speaker 1:Don't matter, says, I'll take them with me.
Speaker 2:Three hours To a place you've never been, never been.
Speaker 1:That doesn't have Wi-Fi. No and no. Listen to me y'all.
Speaker 2:Not ever as a parent.
Speaker 1:Some horrible things is going down. All of y'all lives in danger. Are you doing that? Are you signing up for one of your kids' music teachers to take them to an off-remote location hours away that you've never been to, to keep them safe? I don't care if you are 100% trustworthy. That's a bad plan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it was not a very good idea. No Wi-Fi, no nothing.
Speaker 1:Even if she wasn't the killer.
Speaker 2:The killer would have still found them. It was literally in the middle of nowhere. Wait, as soon as they said cabin, they was like what you already knew.
Speaker 1:They what? Now Ain't never been a cabin that was safe in a movie.
Speaker 2:Ain't never been In the middle of nowhere and there's no neighbors who gonna let their kids go Like for real Nobody, I'm thinking.
Speaker 1:I'll put myself in the situation right If I'm Alex Cross, the world's best detective, right. I know this dude, these people, is coming after me. Our lives is on the line. My thing is my kids is with me. You're going to kill my. It's gonna be with me, dad first period.
Speaker 2:That's it. Yeah, ain't no other plan to be had. It reminds me of the bodyguard when they went out to the cabinet and dude came and murked out the sister and it's like what are you doing? You telling the wrong people where you going, what you doing?
Speaker 1:you're out in the middle of nowhere instinct, man, like what if you don't do that? I understand you want to keep the kids safe, but no, they're not going with this lady to no remote like cabin it's not happening.
Speaker 2:I mean we looked at each other like wait, what is he? About to do this is not the smartest they would be safer just staying right with me in a room behind me.
Speaker 1:We would have been safer like why are we taking them to a cabin? That's gonna take me four hours, even when I can get through to you on the landline phone, it's four hours, and I mean she made sure to let him.
Speaker 2:He had no control, no power.
Speaker 1:I mean I wouldn't even trust I would not even trust and call me cynical, I would never even trust somebody who suggested that to me oh, absolutely, I totally agree there's absolutely, I totally agree.
Speaker 2:There's no way. No, I totally agree, because she was all in the mix Like why are you even here hustling?
Speaker 1:Exactly why are?
Speaker 2:you here hustling no.
Speaker 1:Who would even say oh man, these people I really care about, their lives is in danger. Let me offer to take their kids to a cabin.
Speaker 2:Because at that point I'm talking about taking my kids away with you. We need to find out who you is, who you know, what's going on, and that's gonna take more than, uh, you taking my kids out for a weekend.
Speaker 1:No, we're not doing that, I don't know you this killer had stalked him for years, had put, had got into the camera system in his house, knew what his kids was doing. How do you think they don't know? Even if it wasn't that lady, how do you think that dude don't know that that lady is sitting with you offering to take your?
Speaker 2:of course they do it's like the whole plan was just bad and it's crazy because he had he was getting hit from all angles like you can't really trust anything. I mean because we even questioned his partner we questioned his partner like how real is he being like?
Speaker 2:is he untrustworthy? Is he really about to be turning on him? Like you know, how does a serial killer know stuff that only maybe his best friend would know? And I mean, that was the great thing about the show is that it definitely had you thinking throughout each episode like who can you really trust?
Speaker 2:like somebody. Okay, they seem legit. But and then you got the one episode where they go to this dude's house which is actually in the same episode where old girl was able to possibly escape, um and he alerts the guy. He's like I'm gonna go there and play with his mind and I'm gonna let him know. We kind of got a profile. And he just go on and on and he lead a party to go to the bathroom and he gone for so long that his girlfriend is like well, I don't. He tells the serial killer, well, I don't know where he went, he's been gone for so long. And then the dude catches him in the room and it's like he's trying to find something to say he ended up trying to take cell phone pictures of his stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh my, gosh, it was just like my guy.
Speaker 1:What are you doing? I was like I mean, how's that the world's greatest detective Like I'm trying to understand?
Speaker 2:And it was like antagonizing him and then they going cat and mouse through the rest of the episode and it winds up ending very bad for him. It was just like oh. Alex.
Speaker 1:I know I'm roasting them on the world's greatest detective thing, but I think that's just a bad title, like Batman is horrible as the world's greatest detective too, and anybody who's talked to me long enough knows how I feel about Batman, right. So, yeah, I think it's just calling yourself the world's greatest detective too, and anybody who's talked to me long enough knows how I feel about batman, right. So, yeah, I think it's just calling yourself the world's greatest detective.
Speaker 2:It probably just means you're pretty crappy at it and you're just obsessive but he did really good, though I mean he did, he was, he was the main one.
Speaker 1:He had a technique, he was the main one that was finding the clue.
Speaker 2:Aside from the one girl he was finding the clues, he was piecing it together.
Speaker 1:He was when you hand him the stuff he's on out and he do the spidey tingly thing like even in the one scene after him, and, uh, his partner john fell out and john still handed him the envelope and was like do your thing right yeah, he's got that thing, he got a thing and it did work.
Speaker 2:I mean he, he is named that for a reason he did really. He was the main one piecing everything together. He knew from jump who the killer was. It was just convincing everybody else.
Speaker 1:I feel like Cross is really. He's like Columbo, right Like you, send him in, send him in. But then once you got enough information, then you got to call a real policeman who can really do.
Speaker 2:Because, man, when he go in, he was like what is going on? They even brought that, you know, because they had a leak and you know. Then they find out there was a supervisor who was also in on it and feeding him all of this information they did do a good job of swerving us on who it was yeah, they did they, so I they. You know it was. I think ultimately it was a good show.
Speaker 2:It was a lot of dark, eerie moments though like you've seen him taking this woman and like, especially like the scene where she's texting her mom so her mom would know where she was. And then she gets in this house and she uses this dude's hand sanitizer and he then laced it with fentanyl, right, and it's like, oh, let me text my mom real quick. And the text message goes to him like eerie stuff like that, like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Or even cutting her open and doing her teeth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like breaking her teeth and then putting new teeth in and, like us really seeing him transform her into somebody else, it was creepy as hell and the way most people died, like it was, there was graphic deaths, yeah, graphic deaths. It was, it was a lot. I mean, you got an opener where you see a man get his head bashed in with a bat, I mean it was a lot.
Speaker 2:Or the one girl got her throat slit, or somebody else got shot in the head. I mean it was. It was just a lot. It was a very dark show. Um, I thought that they did a great job of portraying what his life was like. I mean, that is essentially what he had to deal with every day. He had it coming at him from all angles. His family was highly involved.
Speaker 1:He's a cop. He's a cop in in the black lives matter era, so his in dc, he in chocolate city, so he's surrounded by his culture who don't like cops right now. So they. I think they did an excellent job of showing that part they did.
Speaker 2:I mean, even that mama got involved. She was like uh, uh, uh, we need to figure out who's doing what. You know what I'm saying? It was just, it was a lot I mean, what about the casting?
Speaker 1:I know we made a couple of notes on how great I mean them. Kids look like him.
Speaker 2:They did I mean, even the young Cross looked like him.
Speaker 1:He did a great job, man, he did such an amazing job of casting his kids, because when it comes to black casting man, usually they just grab some black people man.
Speaker 2:Even the Nana Mama. They did a great job casting her as well. And the girlfriend.
Speaker 1:The girlfriend was beautiful beautiful, by the way. She was very, very beautiful. They did a good job of balancing that. Yes, having cross and his girlfriend be just extremely attractive, but also have these darknesses and not necessarily seeing them in the depth that you want it to all the time.
Speaker 2:I think they did a good job with that and I thought they also did a great job of showing what it looks like to not get the therapy that you need and really just be working on just all of this pent up emotion, like you can't go see your wife's gravesite, you can't talk to your kids about your wife, you can't hear certain songs.
Speaker 1:You're literally like on a daily basis and you won't even let your friend in, your most trusted friend, your most trusted friend Like I mean you.
Speaker 2:You trying to find your wife's killer. You're trying to find you know, solve all these other murders is happening and you still haven't dealt with any of your grief. You don't want to deal with any of your grief and this is trickling out to everybody around you. I mean it was, it was intense, it was sad to see and it was nice to see them wrap that up, with him actually going to get the therapy that he needs because he absolutely needed it. And I mean that was something that we talked about too was like how his friend was like 2John was like really pushing him to get the therapy. And it's like I mean, is this dude really legit? Like, is he setting him?
Speaker 2:up Like is this like I mean, is this dude really legit? Like is he setting him up? Like is this like because why he keep bringing this up, or why he keep bringing that up?
Speaker 1:And it's like he even said it too right. He was like you was the one you keep bringing this up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you keep bringing this up and I mean you know it got to the point where we was even thinking like I mean, why he keep harping on that? It just was so unhealthy for him and it was damaging all of his relationships, even his kids.
Speaker 1:it was very, very tough to watch it was, but I love that they did address it I think it was super vital that you address it when you got a lead black male or two lead black males. You have to address that. Um, I thought they did a really good job with it. I could relate to a lot of it as a survivor of a victim of homicide, as a lot of the feelings and darkness that I saw in him that I could relate to. I thought it was really good for them to show how, even in your friendships, it impacts you socially. All of that, like he was even in him trying to date and have a relationship. He was stunted.
Speaker 1:He was very stunted and it's like he couldn't even he wanted he put himself in the position but he he wasn't prepared to actually do it and then in his friendship it struggled right. I thought. I thought they did a really accurate depiction of that you could see and feel, and al decides did a good job showing that he got one of them. Faces oh man, it reminds me of like a black Batman mask.
Speaker 2:His face shows darkness, real good, he was the perfect person for this role. Oh, perfect, I mean because there was there was a one scene where they had the karaoke night at the house and you know his wife was a singer and you shout out to them too. For us being able to see his wife and how much, how pivotal of a role she played and why he loved her so much. They.
Speaker 2:you could see the love there yeah and they had the um the carry note karaoke night, which they hadn't had in a while. And they get to the big moment, right where girlfriends invited and they have all of these people there and they sing in and then the one song gets dubbed over with the 9-1-1 call the day that she was oh it was just like.
Speaker 1:And the kids?
Speaker 2:got exposed. So it's like, yes, we're talking about the fact that he has a lot of unhealed trauma and he's not going to therapy, but he also is still living his trauma on a regular basis. It's like that scab is getting open. I mean it's not healing. So I can't even say it's a scab, it's literally like an infection. Yeah, that's getting worse and worse every day and I mean he can't even put any salve on it because it's just something else is coming to hit it from out of nowhere. So it was just it was tough.
Speaker 2:I kept thinking it was gonna happen again oh yeah, yeah, it was a lot of moments where we were thinking, oh no, it's gonna pop up when they played that tape of you know he was like.
Speaker 1:You know the son was like. What's a good memory. You have a mom, it's like when she made this tape. I just knew that was gonna happen again and then there was one other time the scarf scarf, which was actually a last time, which probably was just.
Speaker 1:You know, I have PTSD, so that's part of you know. Your mind when you have PTSD paints the worst case scenario, and so I kept, you know, looking at this story, I just kept thinking it was going to happen Like at the end, after everything was wrapped up, like the very end when they showed the lady who was kept by the killer and she was now in the hospital and she's getting better and her parents are there and she's finally waking up and she writes a note.
Speaker 1:Why? In my mind I was like what if she wrote on there kill alex cross.
Speaker 2:And then it starts all the way over like it could have easily went that and it was a pause for them to read it, so it could have went very dark. And you're right, it was that moment where, oh boy, would she write it? Oh, this is not going to end like we thought. Right, it's not going to go well.
Speaker 1:I remember when they read that I was like what if it said kill Alex Cross? Read that I was like what if it said kill alex cross? Yeah, because everything just kept coming to get him. Everything in this show was like we got to get him. So and that was another point I wanted to touch on. You touched on it a little bit, but the cynical mind that we programmed to is there's no way these two black men are gonna stay loyal to each other. Yep, and I'm not. That's not me pointing the finger, that's me saying I thought that I personally was like it's gotta be his best friend, like, I mean, they're too close, they it's too perfect.
Speaker 1:But why is that too perfect just for two black men to have loyalty like that and to be that close. But in my mind it was like no, you can't have two black men like this that are painted as brothers and so close. They're in each other's family. One of them is going to turn their back and although that will be painful to watch, I kind of expect it right because why he knows so much about his wife and why he doing this and why he doing that.
Speaker 2:and then, even when they did split up, it was like, oh, he probably in on it and oh, he probably working with them and and it's like to see every moment like, no, he's actually doing this and he's really doing that. And it was just like, oh shoot, we had a felon there Dang on rabbit hole.
Speaker 1:Now granted, that was great writing.
Speaker 2:I'm sure they wanted us to feel that way. They absolutely wanted that.
Speaker 1:But the way that real art does it plays on real life. They wrote that because they knew most people would instantly think there's no way these two men are going to stay loyal to each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm so happy that they were able to resolve, like even when he came to him and gave the apology. We had to go back and see that again, because I just loved it. She said we had to go back Yo my wife.
Speaker 1:I'm the rewind queen so clearly was like you're going to have to bring that back. Babe. I didn't even ask no questions. Did I, did I, you did? I'll reround that bad boy all the way back to.
Speaker 2:Before that rewind queen. I'm gonna let y'all know I, if it's a good scene, I want to see it again I don't want to wait to see it.
Speaker 1:I want to see it again right then and there sometimes I I complain, sometimes I begrudgingly rewind, or I just rewind a little bit and she be like, nope, that ain't enough. But this time I was like, nah, this is pretty clear, she gonna want to see that whole thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to see it from the beginning, when he came to him and he said what he said.
Speaker 1:And, by the way, we talking about the scene in the episode called you had Me At Motherfucker.
Speaker 2:We talking about the scene in the episode called.
Speaker 1:You had Me at Motherfucker. You had Me at Motherfucker, which, as soon as I saw that title, I was like I knew when they deliver this line that's going to be dope, it was perfect.
Speaker 2:I mean his apology granted. It took forever for him to give it to him and he was in dire need of him when he gave it, it was perfect, he did.
Speaker 1:It was a very good apology. That was rare, because there's a lot of people that give a genuine apology, but they still ignore the fact that the only reason they are there is because they need you again and you can see how to john was like, genuinely like, oh, wow, oh, and you address that.
Speaker 2:You could see the shock on his face. Like oh man all right I'm getting a, I'm p addressing everything and I appreciate that because that was that's.
Speaker 1:That's always the first thing that can be you. Somebody can come back at you with it's like, yeah, I hear you. But why you? You only here because you need me.
Speaker 2:Yep man, and I mean just the emotion that passed through that moment, even on alex's face, that you hit it on the nail. He's so expressive in this series. I mean they both were perfect in their lanes. I did a really really good job casting both of them.
Speaker 1:He's a brooder, he, I'm telling you, he reminds me of batman. It's like all up in his face and I think he does, and he is impressive because he does it without the mask and, yeah, really dope. So, overall, what do you feel now that we've? Because we watched it, you know you always had an instant reaction. Then you need a moment to breathe right now we've actually rehashed it again. So what do you think after all that?
Speaker 2:oh, and it's another thing before we get there. It was another thing, right, because they had him on video attacking someone who he saw killed his wife or was involved with it, and I love that, you know. Oh, we thought the police chief, we thought everybody. Okay, I ain't like old girl with the gray hair, I was not feeling her she wanted to be mayor, she was just trying to wrap things up. She wasn't trying to hear that it was her boy that one was too.
Speaker 2:It was too clean, though I was like, yeah, it can't be her because it's too in your face she was so on my nerves right I just wanted to kick her but to see, like you know, the video dropped of him assaulting someone and then obviously he had to go on leave and then er, yeah, that's what happened. He reported it that they needed to go. His boy reported it.
Speaker 1:So he went on leave twice.
Speaker 2:Right after his wife got killed he went off on somebody who thought did it and beat up a black man beat up a black man in the middle of dc and got filmed and it got filmed and put out there for the news.
Speaker 1:So he was on leave for that, but then he got on leave again during the show because he was accusing somebody that nobody thought did it, and then the chief.
Speaker 2:They took his badge while he was going through all of this stuff with the serial killer, the person who murdered his wife came after him and his family, and then the chief was like here, I'm gonna get you your badge back and we gonna sweep all of this under the rug.
Speaker 1:And he was like I don't.
Speaker 2:he was really upset about that and I love that they showed how upset he was about that, because they gave a boy a settlement and he still did an interview with him to have the conversation and allow that man to speak about what happened and how he felt and why he ran and, you know, allowed them to have the conversation that needed to be had and allowed Alex to apologize. Um, I really appreciated that they included that in it. And so, with that being said, and us being able to kind of look at everything now from you know, just talking about it, I thought it was a good series. I definitely see why people hyped it up again, like we were going to watch it yesterday. We're going to finish it up yesterday but it was like it's a little too dark to watch on thanksgiving feel good we had a great day
Speaker 2:let's not do it today, let's, you know, do it when we got some time to really finish up and watch it. Um, I would probably give it about a seven, seven and a half, um, maybe even an eight. I thought it was a good series. I didn't think it was bad at all. I thought it was really a really good watch. I could see why people were I'm talking about it. Um, I would even give an eight and I would probably say about an eight and a half her number is going they are going up because I mean it's really good conversation in a minute.
Speaker 2:It's not gonna be a 10, but it's really good conversation. It was really really good. You know it was entertaining. I love the fact that you know we got to see, like you said, a black, two black men being the leads. I love that. They showed DC some of the things that happened in the city, how they were going and running.
Speaker 1:The city was like a character.
Speaker 2:This guy, both of these murders, how they popped up. I love how it wrapped up. At the end I thought, yes, there were some silly moments that didn't make any sense, that we talked about in the dress and how, you know, this man was just really. He just had everybody in his pocket throughout the city. So I mean, I think you know, even though there was some moments where it was like that don't make no sense, I still thought it was a very good series.
Speaker 2:Now is it a little dark for my taste? Yes, that doesn't take away from the fact that it's a good series. I just thought it was a little dark for me. Would I be running to watch another Alex Cross series this year to begin it up next year? No, I'm just gonna keep on hunting with y'all. It's probably gonna take me a couple weeks to get into it and we're gonna have to watch it during the day because that's just how I get down. I don't care if you laugh at me, that's just how it is. Okay, I mean, it's just some series that everybody talk about and I'm just, um, I will not watch.
Speaker 2:I just won't. So I mean, it doesn't take away from it being a good series, it just is not something. It's it's not my preference. So yeah, that's, those are my thoughts wow, I think I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty much at the exact same place are you?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, now, that's kind of surprising I know, right, it was definitely dark.
Speaker 1:Um, just more more killing, just like graphic killing, than that I really like to get into um, and it's like that's part of the story, right like this is integral, that you have to see this happen and see that happen, so that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:It was a little heavy in that area. Um, I'll probably go seven and a half or eight, I don't know if I'll go up to eight and a half just yet. Only because I just had so and again, this is not necessarily meaning it's a bad story. I just really didn't enjoy the horrible shoddy police work they was doing. Man, now I mean, I always like try to play devil's advocate with myself, though, like let's say that wasn't the case, let's say they were great at the police work. Would that have made the story better?
Speaker 1:and probably not no, so that's why I always I'm temper, my, my, uh, my comments where it's like I'm not saying this made it bad.
Speaker 2:I just didn't enjoy seeing them flub so many yeah, police work things, but or like the witness that they got and yes really big one. They got a witness and then they put them in a safe house and then killed him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what they were horrible at all of those things but that technically wasn't alex's fault technically true. True, but my wife went off on me y'all we had a conversation about it because he's like he should have kept the witness hidden, but how?
Speaker 2:but?
Speaker 1:that's okay. I will admit that's a stretch. I'm just going off where I would have been thinking I would not have. There's so many this. There's a lot of points in this show where I just would have approached things with those stakes way differently like a couple of times, like with the lady hiding behind the door.
Speaker 1:There's no way I wouldn't already been ready to strike within second one. Like there's no hesitation. Or even when they were in the cabin the moment the boy showed her. This woman is going to kill us. I'm going to kill her right now.
Speaker 1:I'm not waiting around and playing no game and trying to hesitate because, guess what, she ain't got no backup right now. We she think we all ha, ha, he, he in. Yeah, I got the advantage. If I wait and try to play some, she's gonna figure it out. She's an evil killer. Yep, she gonna know what's I'm gonna lose my advantage.
Speaker 2:You know you're right. Yeah, you're right, because I mean, she was willing to sell out her own daughter, which you know, oh boy had to find out because she blamed it on cross.
Speaker 1:So yeah, she was willing to sell out her own daughter you see that picture you it's like like were saying she did this this long. Yeah, like what John Sampson said she went to get trained at your school to get in with your like that's a long game.
Speaker 2:I mean they both were doing a long game the.
Speaker 1:moment you see that I'm like I'm killing this woman. I'm not waiting around for somebody that would do all of that. Yeah that's true. I'm sitting here with these kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that, yeah, that's true. I'm not. I'm sitting here with these kids. Yeah, you're right, there's no way trying to drug her drink. Yeah, it didn't work. I don't go to sleep like what does she have? And it was only supposed to be like a little bit, so they made it seem like she didn't have anything in there and it was like a whole lot of that pill I don't understand what she even put in there.
Speaker 1:She's not that the killer. I can see if the killer doing he. Of course he got lethal drugs probably had some regular over-the-counter absolutely didn't know. That's why you don't play them games. Yeah, I agree, because for one just to even get to the point to drug or drink, she had to sit there and act. Yes, what if you're not good at it? What if she see there's too much risk?
Speaker 1:too, and and that's exactly what it was right, because as soon as they came in a room, she was there ready she was ready, yeah, I agree, I give it and I think I agree with you, I think I'll give it a solid eight yeah, yeah, but this is and again, a lot of my uh, the knocks on it is just really really hollywood knocks. It's not really knocks on the show, but hollywood has to do certain things to make it more intriguing. Right, like the fact that when people's lives are on the line, they get real like squeamy and like squirmy and flailing. Oh my god help. But really, uh, most of the time in human nature people jump. They can raise they self to being a killer, just like they kill her.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? It's like a lot of people ain't gonna just be like, oh, help, help. But I know they gotta do that for, for tv and stuff like that. But I'm always disappointed when that happens. But like when, when the lady finally did get him, she started getting the best of that girlfriend I was like come on man, you gonna let the grandma be.
Speaker 2:Come on you're right it was like girl, but I mean obviously this chick. You know she wasn't ready right, she wasn't ready.
Speaker 1:That girl was pretty proper. Once you see somebody clearly is an insane murderer, you got to step your game up. You can't just, it's ain't no regular fight.
Speaker 2:Right, it's not a regular, just like what? Old girl with the bottle. It's like what are you doing? And you know, and it was so many moments of the show like you have him with his mask covering up his face so people wouldn't know who he was, and he's part of this creepy club. First of all, the image of him with his mask covering up his face so people wouldn't know who he was.
Speaker 1:He's part of this creepy club first of all, the image of him with that mask on is creepy as it gets and then you got all these people that are also in the club doing this work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so my number changing y'all it's going down. I mean, again, it's not a bad show. I don't think it's a bad show, but it did have just so so was it better than reasonable doubt though not even in the same genre, can't even compare them, true true.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, for me I feel like it is kind of. I look at it as kind of like a flip side of it, because this is a thriller this is a thriller.
Speaker 1:There was some thriller elements of reasonable doubt, with with the dude capturing her and kidnapping her and killing himself. It's more drama. It was more drama, you're right, but I look at it as the like, as a writer. What they are ultimately starting with is a character. Right, they're trying to show the complex life of this character, who is a superstar at what they do, but have all of these complications around them in their life. So I thought you know, between alex Cross and what was that girl's name? For a reasonable doubt, jax.
Speaker 2:Jax.
Speaker 1:Jax Stewart or something like that Between Alex Cross and Jax Stewart. I thought you know.
Speaker 2:Jacqueline.
Speaker 1:I think I do think they did a good job of showing some very complex characters who have one thing that they are superstars at, but there's so many other things in their life that they are either failing at or struggling at or having a hard time, and it's there's parenthood, there's people trying to kill them, there's romance, there's it's all kind of stuff. So I thought. And then they balance multiple main storylines on top of those characters, so in my mind I was looking at them as similar. I don't know which one I thought was better. I just threw that question out. I like this show, though I give it a seven and a half strong.
Speaker 2:Strong seven and a half, and I say eight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I am. Would I watch season two when it rolls out? Yeah, it had to be the right time and I probably would want to binge more, just because you don't want that over too many days.
Speaker 2:I agree. I mean we were ready for it to be over. It was like, oh, can we still got one more? Okay? Yeah it was. It was a lot and we have been.
Speaker 1:I mean, we've been trying to get back here with y'all to give some more content. Um, you know we've been rocking and rolling in our new city. You know god gave us new territory, we set up shop. We've been loving it. There are some struggles, so you know some ups and downs, as always with anything, but you count your blessings right. So when we were given our Thanksgiving yesterday, one of the things that we could really look back on is the time that we get to spend together.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Watching a show like this, a show like Reasonable Doubt for you know me and Babe to be able to sit down and enjoy some time together and talk and talk about each other's opinions and takes.
Speaker 1:That's really what we like to do and it's a blessing that we get the opportunity to do it yes um you know, right now babe has been on leave, so we've had a little bit more time, but it's still kind of hard for us to find enough time together to sit down and watch these shows, particularly a show like this, because we gotta keep it away from our kids yeah, we do, and we have to stop it every time they come close, really hearing it or seeing anything that'll pop up on the screen like blood and gore and brains and it was a lot of that.
Speaker 2:And you know our kids do, man, they come in on the worst part like soon as I'm about to happen and I mean our kids are sensitive, so that's not really anything that they really want to see. We, you know, we don't. I mean, granted, they watch all kinds of stuff on youtube anyway, but still, like we, we don't have to expose them to anything crazy or traumatic like that. Then we're not going to. So I'm just trying to find the right time to watch stuff like that and then it's like it's so dark. Do we really want this to cloud up our great day?
Speaker 2:that we're having, like if we're having a date day or something, or if we can go step out to lunch really quickly, it's like, uh, do we really want this energy to sit on it? Do we want our spirit to be funneled down with this type of energy from this show? Maybe?
Speaker 1:not right now. That's why I was yesterday.
Speaker 2:It was just like absolutely not today. Nope, we're all in good spirit I don't want to end the day on this dark, you know traumatic movie. This. You know this guy is trying to kill his family and it was too much beat up, mama nana everybody got hurt. Somehow it was crazy so yeah, like I said, I don't want to, I don't want to take it down because I didn't particularly care for a lot of it, but at the same time, you know, it's part of your review it's part of my review, yeah, and I mean you know they did it, they did good.
Speaker 1:I was happy to see it end on a really good note for everybody I think that's important because it's going to be a lot of people out there who may not have seen it and yeah, they may not. They may be like you know what I'm like you, I don't really like getting into stuff like that, you know especially in the daytime.
Speaker 2:You know a lot of people. I mean, we've seen quite a few people say that they loved it.
Speaker 1:You, know, and so yeah yeah, they got a good formula. Um, I hope they do make a season two I absolutely do too I hope it's great again. Like babe said, we might not watch it right away. Uh, we have to find the right time to squeeze it in, but I hope they do, just for the success of stories yes, absolutely give them another go at it for the next season and and hopefully bring back all of the characters too. Yeah, and shout out to James Patterson.
Speaker 2:Yes, James.
Speaker 1:Do your thing, hopefully.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he got children's books now y'all, I saw that. Yeah, I grabbed a couple from the library for the kids to check out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hopefully I'll be the next James Patterson.
Speaker 2:Baby, you're going to be bigger than that okay, look at that. We're putting that into existence right now in Jesus name Okay yeah.
Speaker 1:So yeah, stay tuned for that, y'all, cause I just finished my first fiction novel.
Speaker 2:You did y'all.
Speaker 1:It's in the hands of a couple of beta readers, my babe being number one beta reader.
Speaker 2:Indeed indeed.
Speaker 1:And yeah, y'all gonna hear more about it on all of the podcasts. I'll make some videos and stuff over the next few months as we figure out the publishing route and avenue. But yeah, we wanted to be a journey that we all on, including y'all, so rock with us. Y'all all right, we appreciate y'all for joining us here on this review. It's always fun this, this thanksgiving leftover day yeah, so we've been smashing on yo, we love y'all. Man, keep rocking and join us again here later for some more on the Open Book Podcast.
Speaker 2:Peace.
